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Discussion in 'Leopard Geckos - Eublepharis' started by JUSTGECKOS, Jun 4, 2019.

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    JUSTGECKOS Gecko Egg

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    Just hatched new baby gecko mother is high yellow patternless father is patternless. I think he has abino in him. So babies are very fragile looking so i think they are patternless albino. What do you think. 20190531_170825.jpg
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    acpart Gecko Grandparent 3 Year Member

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    Welcome! It's hard for me to tell exactly what you have. It would be easier if I could see the whole gecko from above. It definitely appears to be a Murphy's patternless. I don't know whether it's an albino or not because the hatchling murphy patternless have pale beige markings just like an albino. Do you have any idea whether the parents have an albino gene? If neither parent is an albino then in order for them to produce an albino hatchling both parents have to have an albino gene (be het for albino).

    Aliza
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    JUSTGECKOS Gecko Egg

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    Thank you for your information. I think the male has albino in him just not sure if it is tremper or rainwater heres a pic of the newest hatch

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    JUSTGECKOS Gecko Egg

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    Here is a hatchling from a GG x firebold same male 20190604_174228.jpg
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    acpart Gecko Grandparent 3 Year Member

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    Nice looking hatchlings. Be aware that the fact that you don't know what strain of albino you're producing means that no reputable breeder will want to purchase them because they wouldn't want to breed unknown albino strains. Unfortunately, some people will buy them and breed them anyway which leads to more confusion about the genetics of the line. If there's any way you can get more information about the parents it would be a good idea. If not, think carefully about whether you want to do this again next season.

    Aliza
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    Thank you for you feed back. I need all the help i can get. Ive only been breeding them for 3 years now and the genetics get me every time. This pair are from different mom but same dad 20190603_173413_HDR.jpg
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    acpart Gecko Grandparent 3 Year Member

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    Check out this article:
    http://www.geckotime.com/leopard-gecko-genetics-and-hets/
    Also check out the reptile calculator:
    http://www.reptilecalculator.com/leopard-gecko-morph-calculator/

    It's crucial that a responsible breeder understand genetics because what we do in breeding our geckos (unless we keep all of the offspring) affects the gecko population at large. In my opinion, the hierarchy of understanding leopard gecko genetics is this way:
    a. know what these terms mean: dominant, recessive, co-dominant, polygenetic, homozygous, heterozygous ("het")
    b. know what genes your breeders have
    c. be able to predict the possible outcomes of the offspring based on "a" and "b"

    Let us know where you're getting stuck and maybe we can help.

    Aliza
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    JUSTGECKOS Gecko Egg

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    Where im getting stuck is they all look the same just know what the breeder tells me when i buy. so if he is wrong then im wrong. I know what they look like but just dont know what they make in mophs i understand that the babies are the same as the parents but where do the get the other names. Like mak snow just because it came out more white but what are the two geans thet made it that is very confusing 20180713_164344(1)(1).jpg this is dady 20190514_173825(1).jpg
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    I would say there's a good chance that the hatchling in your last picture is an albino Murphy's patternless, though I don't have any experience with Murphy's patternless hatchlings. Going back to your first post, you said the mother is high yellow patternless father is patternless. I'm just checking that this is what the breeder told you. There is no such thing as "high yellow patternless". "High yellow" means that it's a normal gecko that has fewer black spots, so the yellow stands out. Later on you say that the male has albino in him but you're not sure whether it's Tremper or rainwater. Did the breeder tell you that the gecko has a gene for albino? Does he or she know? In order for a gecko to hatch as an albino, both parents need to have the gene.

    If the breeder told you what genes the geckos have, before you breed it's a good idea to list the possible outcomes. So, for instance, if one gecko parent is Tremper albino and the other gecko parent is normal looking with a gene for Tremper albino, the offspring could be: Tremper albino or non-albino with a gene for Tremper albino. What I'm getting at is that if you have information from the breeder about the geckos you're breeding, you should be able to list the possibilities and then look at the hatchlings and at least most of the time, figure out which outcome you're seeing. I hope things continue to go well for you

    Aliza
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    Ok thank you. I just talked to the other breeder and he said that the female ibought from him the mother was high yellow wild morph but her dad was m-patternless so i just put that together and now i see she could be hypomelonistic. I bred her with another m-patternless and got the babies that look albino. So maybe his parents had albino and my parents have it also. Thank you